Q&A on Holocaust Reactions

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1-What is this Holocaust Q&A about?

Because people have strong reactions to the photographs we present of actual Holocaust pictures and people we need a way to process and understand this historical tragedy. The responses by Strephon Kaplan-Williams, psychologist-philosopher, presented here are based on his work with survivors of tragedy and his own work with his Jewish background, including his father being a child survivor of the Russian pogroms.

2-Lisa writes: Why would they do something like that to them that is very wrong?

Strephon Kaplan-Williams Response: Yes, Lisa, it is very wrong. It is so wrong that it is inconceivable almost that this could happen. Yet it did happen. What is involved is that our own life-view must include the presence of evil, of suffering, of death, in life. We still have people killing each other in stupid wars led by stupid people. It is estimated that a million children disappear each year. So when we are looking at holocaust pictures are we not also seeing that the world is far from a perfect place to be in, and yet survive, and even prosper, we must!

3-Christine writes: this is unnessasary i have family that was there and they were killed how could they do somthing like this especially to women?

SKW Response:
This picture was put here to show how horrible it was to kill human beings, and to kill the innocent and vulnerable. It still goes on today. Who does the killing? Almost always men do the killing. Does this not tell you as a woman that many, if not most, men are capable of killing and abusing women? As a psychologist I would say from personal experience in working with myself and men, that even if we have fantasies of killing someone we then are capable of killing, given the right circumstances. Insanity is acting out the fantasies in real life. As a woman you will have to learn that any man you relate to is capable of violence. The holocaust shows the extreme of this tendency because the killing of Jews was sanctioned by government officials and officers. In your own relating to men, always remember the harm they can do to you, given stressful circumstances. It does not end! Violence does not end! You have to learn to deal with it in yourself and in others. Men have to analyze themselves as to their own tendencies to be violent. I recommend that women both know their own violence and also help men to recognize their aggressiveness towards women. Some male aggressiveness is instinctual, just as males are aggressive towards other males. But to take responsibility for ones own aggressiveness in relationship is a major relationship task for either sex.

4-Tiffany writes: this men are sick what was the point of doing this to the women it is repulsive to look at these pictures because you would never believe a human could find it in their will to do such horrible things to another human being.

SKW Response:
Yes, these men are totally sick. One way to face this as either a man or a woman is to fantasize if you were there in this true scene? What would I do if a man in the village, if I could do anything? My fantasy is that I would be in the resistance. Jewish partizan groups did go after the Jew-killers they could find and execute them after telling them their crimes. But this is hard, dangerous work. There were a lot of Jew-haters willing to kill. Luckily enough people were good enough in the world to want to destroy Nazi Germany and stop the killing finally.

SKW Response: Yes, it is repulsive to look at these pictures. That’s why they are posted here with comments available. We must look on evil and let it move us. Your reaction of horror is very real. However, your world view, how you see life and existence must be just as real. You are born into this existence. It goes better for each one of us if we take in the probability of evil, in ourselves, in our own lives, and in other people. Never be so innocent that you close your eyes to the evil that surrounds you and is in you. Because of the presence also of good in the world and in you and others, does not mean you can close your eyes to evil, does it?

5-Ash writes: uhh i just want to hurt that guy! how on earth could he even want to do this to such inacient people. i just want to say how wrong it is!

SKW Response:
It is terribly wrong, and nothing will make it right. That’s for sure! Wanting to hurt and stop these people is also a right response. However, in this life there are so many people out there ready to exploit you and others, ready to terrorize you and steal from you, steal your children, your goods, your freedom, and so on, that you have to ask yourself things. How much power have you made for yourself to protect yourself and those you love? How much effective power are you building up with others to protect yourself and others from atrocities that evil people do in this life? The truth is that it remains our own responsibility to protect ourselves in life. Become good at it! Become really good at it!

6-Amber says: Hi, i’m 13 and i’ve just read a book about this. This is soo wrong. I dont understand how one human can do this to another human. It really sickens me. I just about cried while I read that book. ((Night by Elie Wiesel)) Its horrible. I dont understand.

SKW Response: It is perfectly clear that holocaust events shock us so deeply that it makes it so difficult to understand such things. Ultimately is this a world that we can understand? Is it meaningful? Is it basically good? Is there more good in the world than evil? These are the questions that we are always facing as we live our lives. We don’t have the perfect world many of us would like to have. We seem to have a world in which evil destructiveness is always at work just as building, caring and creation are always at work. One Jewish friend reported that Elie Wiesel became more positive once he had a wife and child. If true this says that despite the evil done to him and humanity he affirmed life by living love and producing out of that union the next generation.

7-Hunter reports: This is sick. These Germans are so messed up. I bet they enjoyed the naked jews. They all got boners and then raped them. This picture aroused me. Im hacking off to this picture.

SKW Response: As a psychologist I can tell you that it can be a natural reaction to feel sexual in the face of suffering and death. Nature as instinct does have sex, the producing of the next generation, as a response to death. Raping in war can be seen as the combining of violence with sex as an unconscious but instinctual reaction to the decay and arbitrariness of violence and death. Of course, since it is unconscious in perpetrators, then people doing pure instinctual behavior are not conscious enough to have values and choice regarding their behavior. In war the whole group and organization go crazy. Any army is insane because their purpose is to kill, and to do so they have to kill other human beings by giving up their normal, civilized personalities.

8-karah says: i dont see how it is possible for mankind to do this, this is a massive disgrace upon the germans and all who died shouls be remembered as brave and couragous people.

SKW Response: Of course sometimes it is better to let oneself be killed than to kill someone else. The Germans would sometimes give a choice to a mother: You can save one child. We take the others. Which one do you choose? Yes, what is courage here? Not to play the game of evil? To risk ones own life to uphold value despite the threat to oneself and those one loves? The Germans apparently still have a hard time with war guilt. However, when they can see other countries, including the United States, also doing evil, they do not feel alone. To remind ourselves that we are all members of the human race is to remind ourselves that we are all capable of doing evil, as individuals and in groups. Show me a righteous person and I will show you a person without a shadow.

9-Stephanie says: I don’t understand why Hitler would want to do that, guess he was just plain evil.

SKW response: Apparently Hitler was truly evil, but this can also mean insane. Some like to say the Nazis did the killing, while others point out that it was the Germans and their allies. As a psychologist we take the position that becoming part of a killing machine happens in any culture, American, British, Israeli, German, Arab, African, whatever. It is happening all over the world now. It comes down to our individual choices. I went to military school but I chose to leave it and to go further and become a conscientious objector who did non-combatant service. Yet, to feed my aggressive side I watch war films sometimes. Again, violence and aggressiveness is in us all and can become a collective thing when leaders push for killing other people, right or wrong. We each need to take a stand in life regarding individual and collective violence, however the world goes. We can’t control the world but we can make choices for ourselves.

10-Ben says: Everyone thinks that this is very unhuman to do to those millions of Jews, but did the Germans really pay for it, they got away with murder by the millions. I think all those bastards should burn in hell, and Hitler may have been genious but he was a fuckin syco killer to, dont ever forget that.

SKW Response: Again our problem of what to do with evil in ourselves and in the world? We see people doing terrible evil and we want to cream them, destroy them, and rightly so. It’s a great fantasy. If I were actually in the Second World War and I had a chance to kill Germans, would I do so? If they were attempting to kill me? It’s good to fantasize, what would you do? Role play it even. These are such difficult choices. Those who have been in actual war might laugh at the rest of us, so it is good for all of us who have not lived through battle conditions to take seriously our reactions and to work with them, whatever they are. Where do our own fantasies of killing the enemy come from inside ourselves? How is our own sense of powerlessness in life being fantasized? What are we doing about this powerlessness that is both ethical and effective? How do we need to realistically protect ourselves in life, man or woman? Whom can we trust, if anyone?

11-Andrea asks: where was God? I dont understand why or how that happened under Gods skies…. little girls are the most innacent, and i dont see how anyone could ever harm them.

SKW Response: We humans have to realize that some of us project onto what people call God some sort of parent in the sky that should save victims from evil. The history of the Christian religion shows how millions of Christians were killed and also how Christians killed millions of people, Christians and non-Christians. It would be foolish to attribute to God the power to save the innocent from evil. However, sometimes in individual cases some are saved by accident or mysterious forces. Also, some concentration camp inmates overcame their captors and escaped to live while others died in the attempt. Statistically we are not going to see some power called God going around and saving people. Better to revise ones world view and see that if anyone is going to save you from the worst in life, it is going to be yourself! Revise your world view. Accept the presence of evil in yourself and others. Do self-analysis. Make yourself strong and conscious. Develop power and effectiveness. Live a life of value. All these things will help you, even though for some of us terrible things will still happen. The point is, just because the world has a lot of evil in it, don’t be such a wimp! Develop yourself as best you can! God won’t save you but maybe you can save yourself.

12-James says: thi shit is disgusting….. it embarrases me that i’m human, because its humans killing humans for no damn reason….. i hate disgusting scum like the nazis in this world…. hitler hated jews and jesus was a jew so what does that tell you….? despicable bastard!!!!

SKW response: The old way was to repress ones own dark emotions. Here James expresses his, evoked by people who chose to act out evil in life. Again, my own litany as a psychologist-philosopher: face your own evil so as to better deal with other people’s evil in life. Expressing anger and judgment is probably better than repressing it. The Germans and the educational systems of the other countries on both sides of the war used violence, hitting and terror, to control kids in school and in families. Repressing our sense of hurt and anger then makes killers of us and the hurt and violence comes out in extreme ways. So we need to be against violence towards children anywhere so the next generation does not grow up wanting to kill others projected onto as “the enemy.”

13-Breana says that: HITLER WILL BURN IN HELL KILLING HUMANS FOR NO DAME REASON he is just plain evil

SKW Response: Yes, Hitler can serve to represent “the face of evil” in this life. It may be that the only hell we create is the hell we create on earth. How to not create of our own lives a living hell? That is the question for each one of us!

14-Jessy Mae says: I’m 13 and I am allowed to do a project in History, and I am picking to do about the women and children of the war. This image made me feel ill and I wanted to say to all the people who supported Hitler, you are SICK. Children as young as 3 were gassed by that sick, psychopathic, raving lunatic! How could you be so horrid? I hope you are turning in your graves right now, look at all the pain you caused!

SKW Response: As I have had to say to many people, and to myself: look on the face of evil and experience it! Suffer! Face the suffering that is part of life and life will go better for you. Don’t be unrealistic. Yet what people usually do is try to avoid the pain, to only hope for or look for good things. This will keep you unrealistic. What people most need to face is the Dark Side so that they can the better deal with it in themselves and in life. Sorry, but it is so!

15-serena says: I think some people are taking this picture to serious, beacuase we can’t sit around an just chant and rave about how it makes us sick and how much we hate these men it is just not right, i’m not saying i support them AT ALL but if you are look at these picture’s and all you can say about the holocaust is bad thing’s than you are blind! My grandmother was striped of her hair and clothing, EVERYTHING! here husband died she lost her brother and her only son, but you know if you ask her about the holocaust she will only say the good things that happended such as how she and her duaghter got out safely and how she made such good friends and the misgeff my mother and her got into. It is HALARIOUS!!!!! so next time think about the good things in life ensted of ranting and raving about the bad(;

SKW Response: Yes, some will flee towards the good things as a way of compensating for the bad that has happened. However, Primo Levi, another Jewish survivor-writer besides Elie Wiesel, committed suicide in his later years. He had success after but then the camp’s “dark night of the soul” must have overcome him. Survivors have had a terrible time, as do their children, carrying the burden. Bringing transformation of the dark side does seem the way to go for healing. However, your grandmother differs from you probably in that she experienced the worst. To a person like you and I, feeling really bad about what happened is probably a good sign since then we feel the impact of the dark side, the evil, violent side of life. There are two forms of psychological release: One is to react as negatively as one feels to the realization of evil, as expressed here by many respondents to the holocaust picture. The other is to experience the impact of evil but to transform it with going to its opposite, the good, the positive, the humorous. Jewish humor often has an edge of making ridiculous the evil done to Jews. One of the people coming to a lecture of mine on dreams had to leave right away because her husband told us she still dreamed her holocaust experiences as nightmares. For her it was impossible to face them. One would have wished otherwise, but I could do nothing to help her because she and her husband did not come to see me for a session on dealing with nightmares.


26 Responses to “Q&A on Holocaust Reactions”

  1. Joey Says:

    All of you people that have commented on this need to read more history.First of all the jews were warned and told to ge out of germany, and they wouldnt go.Germany isnt the only country to force jews out..Spain,is another,,and washington and Franklin both spoke to keep them out of this country..Ask yourself this,,why did the jews help the germans kill their own people…Because the were told to by their people..
    If you were jewsish would you have stayed in germany then???Why did they when they had plenty of time to get out before the final solution was started???Then after the tremndous strain on the jewish race they created their own political State only 3 years after the end of the war..Where did they get the funding for this????Read the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion,,just watch the news with an open mind and think about it people!!!!Why are we at war with the muslim world right now???Because America and Britain is the two countries to speak in favor of the jews terrorist government that took the land of palistine…War on terror,,,I think not…America fighting another war for the jews that should have been killed for their crime against the german State???Yes, I think so..The money for the founding of Israel was rapped from the german State..ANd the jews shouldnt have been so greedy and left when they had the chance..
    Read all the history people not just what was written by the victors,,but what was written by people that had no reason to lie…
    Knights of the Nordic Empire

  2. Strephon Kaplan-Williams Says:

    This comment from Joey mentioning the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which is a polemic against the Jews, is not written with inflammatory language. Therefore, it seems reasonable to us to leave this comment up to show anyone who wants to read it that there are people who believe like this, whether their interpretation fits the facts of history or not.

    If you want to really explore prejudice against the Jews and the Jewish reaction, like the building of their homeland Israel, of course you can do so with Google search.

    Google search is much better than reading someone’s book about the subject and much quicker to get a variety of viewpoints and hopefully historical facts.

    If you read the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion, you can read what a variety of people say about it. You can also read maybe fifty books on the Jews and history.

    We presented the pictures taken at the time of the Holocaust. The pictures do not lie, the pictures do not write books. The dead Jews in the pictures, men, women and children, do not tell us from the grave whether they wanted to be killed or not in such a humiliating and suffering way.

    We point out with the pictures how horrible human beings can be to each other, and provide space for anyone to have personal feelings about what happened as seeing through the pictures.

    The State of Modern Israel justifies selective killing of Palestinian warriors because these Palestinian warriors are also attacking and killing Jewish people and warriors. Even a suicide bomber killing civilians in a bus can be a warrior for their cause. No army of any nation these days fights without killing civilians as well as enemy soldiers. Therefore, calling someone a terrorist when you yourself with your own military forces kill civilians as well as soldiers, is certainly fair and objective.

    If you want to be fair and objective in settling disputes, all parties have to give up violence as a means of settling issues. No people of any culture or nationality enjoy killing or being killed. However, violence is still pretty much the weapon of choice over political compromise and conflict resolution. Until we can educate our politicians and military who choose to use violence to settle conflicts, until we can get our own politicians and the politicians of every country to escalate back their use of violence, humanity itself is under threat of destruction even mass destruction. What happened in the Holocaust, did not just happened to Jews, it happened to all of us as members of humanity and will happen to our children and our children’s children as well, until we all stop using violence to try and settle conflicts.

    The Holocaust therefore is everyone’s problem. The problem of using violence in an otherwise intelligent and peace loving world.

    Try and be kind, forgiving and compromising to both friend and foe, to those who disagree with you as well as those who agree with you.

    It is thus that we leave up these remarks from Joey in respect for very difficult issues that affect us all.

  3. Not Forgotten Says:

    While seeming to indicate there has been a distortion of history, Joey does ignore several facts. It is impossible to imagine that greed kept Jews in Germany, since all of their businesses, their bank accounts, their stocks, their jobs, their homes, etc. were appropriated by the Nazis. As for Jews helping other Jews kill their own people: I would think some did. Survival can be ugly, and who is without guilt when it comes to self-protection? Was their ultimate fate known at the time? Of course not. A people subjected to the whims of others throughout their history, having such resilience, even they could not imagine the Final Solution.

  4. Carmelo Lisciotto Says:

    An interesting collection of photos.

    Carmelo Lisciotto

  5. The Reflecting Mind Says:

    The reflection and analysis on this site has, so far, ignored two key considerations.

    Firstly, the Jews of Europe have been oppressed and slaughtered for a thousand years. Anti Semitism did not start with Hitler. And it will not end with Hitler. But it became industrial with Hitler. And that is where it differed from before. Not in its nature, but in its sheer scale and capacity.

    Secondly, there has been very little analysis and consideration of the reasons why the Germans felt that the Jews had to be exterminated. Testimony given in the Einsatzgruppen trials clearly shows that many of the perpetrators genuinely believed that Germany was “at war” with the Jewish race. This belief stems from the propaganda that the German people were fed. And where does this come from ? Well, as Hitler surveyed the economic destruction wrought upon Germany in the post world war one years, he looked at the men in power – the bankers, the lawmakers, and to quote him “everywhere I looked, I saw a Jew”. The people who formed the hated Weimar Republic were Jewish. And from this did all else follow.

    There was, of course, some truth in what he said. Jews do tend to walk the corridors of power in disproportionate numbers, and they were in power at the time of Germany’s ills. But to blame them as Jews ? No. For me, they could carry blame as Germans who just got it wrong, not as Jews wanting to foment world Zionist revolution. (The Protocols, referred to elsewhere, are, of course, fake. And the Nazis knew this).

    The war, in the minds of some, fed by the media, was about the survival of the German race. Either the Germans would survive, or the Jews. But not both. Why did the women have to die ? Because they would give birth to Jews. Why did the children have to die ? Because they would be the avengers of the dead.

  6. sara Says:

    I just dont understand all those dead people innocent men, women and children. Just looking at these pictures makes me want to cry. How could that man have lived with him self, what drove him to do such horrible things. Had he no soul, no conscience. How could his wife know what he was doing and still be in love with him? How could people take these pictures and not do anything about what was happining?

  7. olivia martinez Says:

    it is picture

  8. olivia martinez Says:

    when ilook into these mans eyes i feel his fears

  9. Tori Says:

    “Lord forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
    Luke. 23.34

  10. david Says:

    HOw can I get permission to use this picture for a video I want to make. The message is very powerful but pictures are worth 1,000 words right?https://holocaustpictures.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/hello-world/holocaust-stripped-women/

  11. ana Says:

    i hate this! if u guys watch the movie LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL its so sad it breaks ur heart watching it seriously. i really recommend it. its about the holocaust n this family trying to survive. its really horrible in some scenes but its really a heartbreaking movie. WATCH IT!!!

  12. Christina Says:

    The Jews were warned and told to get out of Germany. Every country the Jews were in wanted them out. Where were they supposed to go? Now that they finally have some land to call their own, the land where they have the longest history, people want them out of there. My goodness, when will people let the Jews live in peace.

  13. Jess Says:

    What was hitlers point in doing this? What would he gain from killing these poeple?

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  15. JAE Says:

    Whoa! Are you serious? Greedy? They were greedy because they wanted the life they had worked for?
    I’ll tell you what, I guarantee you come for me and my family and what we have struggled to make, You have a serious fight on your hands!
    Do you realize how hard it is now, to pick up children and just move them somewhere else? Let alone then. Women didn’t work and men’s jobs weren’t the greatest.
    I would die for the life my children, my husband and I have.
    It is and always will be my life’s job to protect and fight for them, as it was for them to hold on to what they had, security for their family.
    I’ll be damned if anyone is going to tell my family to give up our life we’ve worked for. No one but God himself and I most certainly would fight to the death. Ignorant aren’t ya?

  16. jessica mason Says:

    joey im sorry to say but u are tottaly ablivious to your suroundings.
    if u did not know, that many jews did try to fleey but it did not work because we did not help them or reach our hand out to them when it was needed insted we rejected them and did not let them cross our boarders

    im 16 and im sitting here with my history class reading all the stuff you teens have wrote knowing that u will probly disagree with what i think just like i do with some of you guys think .

    but anyways …

    my 2 biggest worries are that …;
    1st: is that one man was able to control millions then what could be happening now, and have we learned are lesson or is this alll gunna happen all over again ?

    2nd : is that it was not only the nazi /hitler’s fault of what happened its ours too because it is us who just stood around and did nothing while hitler gained power it is us who ,when given the chance to let jews past our boarders into safe territory pushed them back into inevitable death .

    sure it be great to only think of the good stuff but if we alll don’t worry and do nothing whats stoping this from happening again …only this time our enemies have wepons that can take out whole citties at a time
    so while your dweling on the good times think about that.

  17. Alexis C. Says:

    I dont understand any of this.Last month was Holocaust remeberance month,and my teachers barely explained it.Theres a whole nother side of this,and they barely reached the edge.
    It pisses me off how someone could hate people like that,innicent people!Maybe im to young to understand,but the world is screwed and so is everyone in it.

  18. BBD Says:

    it really bugs me that people dont read inbetween the lines of the situation. it is known that the jews were hated for a long time. they were blamed for the plague, remmember? and there was the thing on white supremecy. well “joey” what if the jews were not able to leave? their whole lives were where they live. i bet you cannot pick up your things and move to another country even if you wanted to. the fate of the jews were unknown to some people. if you read “night” he stated that his fate was unkown and in the hands of the officers. some people did know of this, and its a shame that nothing was done for some time, but put yourself in their position. if you were forced to do something, at risk on being beaten, starved, burned or gassed, what would you do. i know everyone can not say that they would do what is right because you would be lying. you would be thinking about yourself and you living because death was and is a scary thing and toture is even worse because it makes you want death. if you was in that situation, your decisions would have probably been on selfish impulse anyway. i am NOT defending anyone, what was done to those people, who were not all jews, was wrong, but i ask you…what would you have done?

  19. Strephon Kaplan-Williams Says:

    Strephon’s reply to: The Reflecting Mind from 12/15/2007

    The issue and the point you seem to be making in your thoughtful and concerned comment is, as I understand it, reflected in my following questions:

    – Because oppression, suffering and distruction has happened to the Jews for thousands of years the 20th century holocaust is to be seen as a natural product of impersonal history.

    The question is, because this oppression has always happened to the Jews should we not then, Jew or non-Jew, accept that as part of “a Jewish destiny”. Oppression against Jews will always happen because it is simply a phenomena of history.

    You also go on to imply that the German people, and even individual Germans, were not consciously or morally responsible for the Holocaust, even if they directly or indirectly through their participation killed or helped kill innocent Jews.

    You said in your comment that the Germans were influenced by such things as propaganda from those in power.

    – Is it true than that because people and individual are influenced by outside forces, such as propaganda and fear tactics, that they are not responsible for their own distructive actions in life?

    – Is it true, as you imply, that when it comes to the need to live by the survival instinct, than everyone has the right to, and should do, actions which promote their own survival, even at the expense of killing innocent others?

    Our point of view here is that can we build a set of ethical principles to live by effectively whether we survive individually the collective consequences or not?

    Another example from the Second World War: Hundreds of thousands of American soldiers came to Europe to fight Germany and thousands died on foreign soil. Were these soldiers acting ethically to stop a world evil that had infected politically and psychologically a whole people? Or, were most of them just fighting because they enjoyed killing people?

    Ultimate question: Do we live fully committed in life to ethical principles and values, or do we live as victims of history purely based on the survival instinct? And what does this choice do for or against our personalities and how we live our lives?

    Further question: Is at war itself the killing of people of any country or culture that is the primary evil, especially in today’s world?

    You decide. You live today in the world of present existence.

  20. Bri Says:

    I think that many of the comments posted on this page have been very ignorant. I certainly do not support what Hitler and the Nazis did, and I cry every time I think about the loss of human life (Jewish lives, American lives, and Nazis lives alike) but still, some comments on this page disgust me. Many Nazis were probably as sane as you or me. But, based on their system of beliefs, Jewish people and other minorities were inferior. It’s not like the took the lives of innocent people, just cause they felt like it. They thought of Jews as animals, and thought they were working for the greater good. By no means to i agree with this way of thinking, I’m just saying that they weren’t all crazy, they just felt VERY differently about things

  21. katie Says:

    my father was polish.
    he went to visit the cremetories.
    he cried……. and the german kids laughed.

  22. yung Says:

    I really do not know who can proof that those pictures are real and not fake( perhaps they are only images of a movie ,etc.)
    and even in this pictures I can not see any real disturbtion for the women.
    in fact,Winner,writes history. Hitler has the best collection of chemical weapons, but he never used them(he can easily use them on England)and Otto Han first time splited the nucleon, but Hitler stoped that project(in 1936).
    Hitlers was more better than who bombard Vietnam
    by chemical weapons.

  23. Mike Says:

    Unfortunately, all the people with their comments here saying ‘how could they have done that, it’s appauling’ etc would have been very capable of doing this back then.

    That is man for you, we are all capable of doing this even today so don’t forget that.

    Just look at how we still treat each other today.

  24. Eldest Says:

    ‘Response to yung’
    Yes the winner writes the history, but they also take the history from the losers. Do you really think that all the information on the Holocaust came from the Allies and the Jews? Germany’s own records show that it really happened, there are even accounts from Nazi soldiers/generals of the atrocities that they committed. You need to look into the Holocaust a lot more, and then you can say things like that. Hitler may have stopped Otto Han, but he didnt stop the mass murder of the Jews did he? And he didnt stop the massacre of his enemies in Germany. Or the German Army from marching across Europe. In fact, he CAUSED it. Hitler was not better than those who bombed JAPAN, (not Vietnam) because the bombers were trying to end the war, not eliminate an entire “inferior” nation.

  25. Eldest Says:

    “Oppression against Jews will always happen because it is simply a phenomena of history.”
    I also disagree with the sound of this quote from SKW. Almost all people have been oppressed throughout history, the Jewish people just have a recent, extremely tragic example. I agree that the Holocaust is one of the most atrocious acts of mankind, but it is not the only case of oppression against people. It is not just Jews that are oppressed, the Christians in Rome, Muslims in countries today, and other various peoples have all been the subject of brutal prejudice. And I do not think that the oppression of Jews will happen forever “as a phenomena of history”

    • Strephon Says:

      I can also say that there will always be prejudice and unjustified violence against certain individuals and peoples because, as psychologist, C.G. Jung pointed out, we all have a Shadow, a rejected side of ourselves we hide from others in trying to appear ‘good’ to our social group and society. And by repressing the shadow we project it out onto others and act out our prejudice in the world, including killing people because they have caught our shadows.

      Don’t act out your shadow: integrate it!

      I don’t think we need to compete, do we, as to who has had the worst prejudice and destruction visited upon them.

      I am shocked by the realization that almost 2000 years ago Titus, a Roman general, along with his father, wiped out an estimated 2 million Jews.

      I haven’t seen any other writer or historian call that event a holocaust, but I do.

      The total destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD with the destruction of 2 million Jews was uncalled for but this is what the Romans did to the Jews.

      People at the time were already prejudiced against the Jews. The Arabs of the day sent warriors to fight for Titus because they hated Jews. This is reported in the writings of the day, maybe Josephus or Tacitus.

      Our point is that if Jews fight back against aggressors trying to kill them, men, women and children, they get criticized. If they don’t fight back they get attacked just the same.

      Modern psychology was invented by a Jew named Freud. One thing Freud pointed out is that all humans and groups project negative and positive images and attitudes onto others which are really inside themselves.

      What I hope for is that psychology takes such a strong hold in humanity that everyone will learn to deal with their projections as their own and not act them out on others.

      The one concept of projection well learned can greatly lessen acting out the shadow and thus save a great many lives and much suffering.

      The Americans currently, the most righteous people in the world, describe themselves as the good guys as they have invaded Iraq and still invade Afghanistan. This is an example of projection to mask over your real behavior, which is killing people with technology, including innocents such as women and children and non-fighting men.

      Let us deal with our projections and thus know by so doing we are helping change aggressive and unconscious humanity into a conscious and ethical humanity.

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